If you’re checking out this podcast, you’re probably in some sort of leadership role. Maybe you lead a team at your church. Or maybe you lead a group of kids as a volunteer. Or maybe you’re leading your family at home. If any of these things is true, then this conversation is for you.

First we hear from Joel Manby. Known for his success in the business world, Joel has made a practice of applying the teachings of Jesus to professional settings. Then, Holly Crawshaw and Sarah Bragg sit down with Clay Scroggins to talk about principles from his book How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge. By the end of the episode, you’ll have practical steps you can take to lead from a place of purpose rather than position.

Welcome to Episode 56 of the Think Orange Podcast.

Topic Timeline

Joel Manby talks about the leadership principles of patience, kindness, and dedication (6:35)

Patience means praising in public and admonishing in private (6:59)

Kindness isn’t about being nice all the time, but it is about encouragement (9:29)

The art of a handwritten note (10:43)

Dedication is sticking to your and the organization’s values in all circumstances (14:21)

Jesus’ example of leadership during The Last Supper (19:17)

Holly Crawshaw and Sarah Bragg interview Clay Scroggins (21:32)

Attitudes and decisions that led Clay to being on staff at North Point (25:04)

Description of book How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge (26:43)

The importance of being courageous about being honest (29:06)

The best leaders don’t lead like they’re in charge (31:20)

To move forward or lead up as a leader, you need to know exactly where you are (34:43)

Dave and Ashley’s final thoughts (39:49)